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Other Topics => General Discussion => : amejat February 11, 2010, 07:32:43 PM

: On the future of Feng Office
: amejat February 11, 2010, 07:32:43 PM
I write to really express my anger and disappointment.

I have been following, promoting and supporting OpenGoo since its early beginning when it forked from ActiveCollab (and took initially most of its code).

I was surprised to see this project becoming a company and had the feeling that it completely lost its link with the community.
I also got the feeling that people in the Feng Office team were more concerned by making money than developing a piece of software.

Some days ago, I asked about the GelSheet status and had to send 3 emails to get an answer. And the answer was... "If you want to see a spreadsheet apps in Feng Office, you have to sponsor it. What about 1000$ or 2000$ ?".

Honestly, I thought it was a (bad) joke !

Come on guies ! You first took lots of code from the FREE and open source Active Collab project (version 1.0) then you asked the OpenGoo community to support you and submit some code.
And now that you just changed the name of the project as "Feng Office", there is no more community-based development ? No more development without sponsoring ? Everything is just about money ?

First, it is a shame, as the spreadsheet application has been a promised since version 1.4 and lots of work has been done by... the community (!) and not the dev team.
Second, it is a shame, as Feng Office (or opengoo) is INCOMPLETE without a spreadsheet app and you can not seriously imagine that it will be adopted WITHOUT a spreadsheet apps.
Third, your commercial model makes no sense. I was proposing to have 2500 users with a commercial hosting from you (with the condition to know if and when will we have a spreadsheet app) and you just do not care about this hosting request but ask us to pay for a development already FREELY initiated by the community. ???!!!

At this point, it seems obvious to me that:
- Commercial people are controlling Feng Office
- They completely lost the link with the OpenGoo community
- There is no more active development for this project (except if someone pays a few thousand bucks).

I go back to real and active open source project like eyeOS !





: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: nsrivastava2 February 12, 2010, 01:34:12 AM
Hi Amejat,

I can understand your frustration, it might be that without Spreadsheet you are missing some major feature in FengOffice.

All I will like to tell is, there is no point shouting at the development team. I understand Open Source Softwares are good and should supported, but at the same time there is money required to live and be motivated to continue the work. USD 1000 for Spreadsheet application development is not much. The development team asked from the community to contribute few dollors and help the team start on with the work, looks like community is more interested in wasting money downloading paid iphone apps rather than contributing for the development efforts.

May be you do not agree to this, yet all I will like to tell is FengOffice Community version is good and very useful. Just because of one spreadhsheet app you cannot dump FengOffice. I have not found any other OSS which is as good as FengOffice.

I request you to cool down a little and enjoy the application. Spreadsheet will certainly be there. Give the team sometime to develop.

--
Nitin
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: amejat February 12, 2010, 12:22:26 PM
Dear Nitin,

First, I refuse to pay for a project that I actively supported and promoted since months.

Second, if you consider that 1000 bucks is not a big deal, Happy You ! But for that price, I can buy several licenses of Microsoft Office which includes a spreadsheet app.

Open Source projects can not hope to be developed with a "sponsoring" system. If I pay for a feature, I want to be free to sell it to have my money back. So I will not "offer" it to the community. It is a loss for the community.

Open Source project can only make money on:
- Hosting solutions
- and custom development: but for features highly specific and not designed to be distributed.

Sorry to say that for me, a spreadsheet app is NOT a highly specific feature and should simply be part of any serious web office.

Concerning the alternatives, just have a look at eyeOS: It has a COMPLETE web office.

Regards.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: Syrion March 16, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
Tried it the past couple of days: you can't save spreadsheets in eyeOS because of a bug. ;)
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: cabeza March 18, 2010, 12:19:18 PM
If I pay for a feature, I want to be free to sell it to have my money back. So I will not "offer" it to the community. It is a loss for the community.

Interesting reasoning: Consequently, I guess that when Feng Office pays for the development of any feature (as we do with most of Feng Office features), we should also sell it to have our money back. It would not make sense to give it away for free.

If we all thought like you, there would be no free open source projects ...
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: allenlook March 18, 2010, 01:39:09 PM
I fear that once a spreadsheet function goes live, the development team will be inundated with bug reports for what I consider to be a non-core feature, and development of features more in Feng Office's strategic core will be delayed.

If a spreadsheet is needed, there are already many excellent ones available.  Google Docs, Zoho, Open Office, and more.

Feng Office is in my opinion better served providing collaboration tools for team-spanning projects.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: ignacio April 01, 2010, 05:01:22 PM
Alex,

It's interesting how one of your references of open source projects is ActiveCollab, a project that is no longer open source and is 100% commercial, and yet you are angry with us that are still open source and have only embraced a comercial side in order to keep alive the open source project.

Also, Marcos' post hit the nail right on the head.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: bigbearomaha July 26, 2010, 08:12:19 PM
In a way,  I can understand the op's frustration.  Spreadsheets are a highly used item in most offices, especially for reporting and tracking.

If an online office app sells itself as a 'complete' office solution, there is no reason not to expect such a common feature as spreadsheets.

It also does not hurt to use your free community version as the test bed for development, most commercial opensource projects do just that.  if users want stability in the community editions, they just stay one version back.

BTW, telling users of your product to go use another product if they don't like a feature of yours is not what most people refer to as good customer relations.  You never know when that one community edition user will turn into that one fee paying customer because they felt so well served by a product and the company that makes it.

but hey, it's your company.  do as you like.

Big Bear
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: cabeza July 28, 2010, 10:16:33 AM
Thanks for your comments Big Bear.

We value our users and would love to keep all of them.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: chris.alex.thomas August 02, 2010, 04:00:24 PM
I have an idea for a project based upon the fengoffice system, here is what I planned to do.

1) develop a plugin which can be used to complete the objectives
2) tally all the money cost to create the plugin, because you have to do it yourself, or pay someone
3) offer the plugin from my website, with a price for a download link
4) show the amount of money remaining until I reach the amount invested has been paid
5) offer the plugin without charge.

people may say this is wrong, or against the open source philosophy, etc, but I paid to develop it, so I deserve to get that investment back, I dont breach any licence rules, because it's free and open source, you just have to pay to get the development link.

the price I plan to charge would be about 2 euros a copy, if you can't afford that, you are either without a credit card/pay pal/method of paying or a liar.

chances are, in this world, you are a liar if you tell me you can't afford to pay 2 euros.

if you can download it from another source, good for you, remember, I am not charging money for the software, but charging money to give you a download link, I would think that 2 euros is not a bank breaker and anyone giving my software away without charge, should feel ashamed of themselves for breaking the balls of someone willing to put HIS on the line.

After it's all paid, I give the software away without charge and of course, all updates, if paid for, put the price back up and you have to pay again until I reach zero again.

THAT WAY, you can return the money on investment for new features people want and keep with the open spirit, you are sponsoring in a way, but not in another way.  I realise this will annoy some people, but most likely those people don't contribute anything and are just parasites of the open source world anyway, so they have no right to critisise me.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: cabeza August 02, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
It's a great idea !!

Very similar to what we are trying to do in order to make the product grow.

You might consider reusing the existing-but-hidden spreadsheet editor. It has an interesting architecture but lacks browser compatibility.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: Karl November 30, 2010, 02:03:22 PM
Is there anything news in the development of Feng Office?

For me it seems that it stucks a little bit.

Is there any progress?

Thank you.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: cabeza November 30, 2010, 02:23:43 PM
We are making a bug fixing release this week.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: Karl November 30, 2010, 03:10:24 PM
Anything new besides bug fixing?

I'm asking because there are still some for a collaboration suite imho vital features missing.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: cabeza November 30, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
Unfortunately no new features for this next version. We've had no choice than to develop what our customers request, and these are mostly not new collaboration features.

As a consequence we have some interesting features we've developed for our customers and haven't had time to test and release yet.

We hope to release at least an alfa of 1.8 this year with some of these changes!

Regarding the spreadsheets project, the students have focused on documentation lately and have consequently postponed coding and bug fixing.

The academic  project is coming to an end, which might be good news. Recently the students mentioned their plan to improve GelSheet editor in the near future to make it more compatible and browser friendly.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: Murz December 01, 2010, 04:28:54 AM
Wow! GelSheet editor is very good! Thanks for info about it, I try to install in on current fengoffice version, because our company very needs it.
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: Reza Faghihi December 25, 2010, 09:57:46 AM
it doesn't seem feng is going nowhere at this point i think debugging is very critical and its a good thing that feng team put their effort on debugging except adding tons of new feature like many other projects .
the real problem is in plugin system if feng office plugin system improved 3rdparty developers can make great plugins like many other great opensource project like joomla or drupal they dont have too much feature in main release you can unleash their power by using 3rdparty plugins or your custom designed plugin
also any open source projects needs findings and financial support it could be by members donations or they can start to offer some commercial services
and i think 1000$ for this feature its a good and valuable price
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: goonerforlife January 12, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
Even though im fairly new to the opengoo/ feng office scene i feel i should point out that (from my point of view) ALOT of these little arguments would be resolved if there was a centralised module service.
Something that alot of other projects have (jooml, drupal ,modx etc etc).
This opens the entire software up to be properly supported by the community AND allows the genuine contributions that are popular to be integrated (by the dev team so they still have work !) .

Without this type of model/service/approach its difficult for a community to add anything to project such as this in any meaningful way. Alot of people dont have time to sit down and write a large forum post. (me being one of them! this is my lunch break gone btw :( )

For example i have written a few modules recently for feng office one of which was a (fairly complex) charting plugin which im sure would be a great addition but there isnt an obvious place to put it and i dont have time to write a forum post to the standard i would want (i dont want to just drop it in on a lunchtime after spending the time to write it)

Also there are a few core bus/missing calls that i noticed as i was building this and patched but again i would need to spend more time on the forum to write out everything i have done.

Time i dont really have!

and now my lunch breaks over ....
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: Murz January 27, 2011, 06:37:51 AM
We hope to release at least an alfa of 1.8 this year with some of these changes!
Any news about 1.8 alfa version, where can I look on it? Maybe in some svn or git repo?
http://opengoo.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opengoo/ and http://fengoffice.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fengoffice/ links don't work
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: franponce87 February 07, 2011, 10:53:07 AM
Even though im fairly new to the opengoo/ feng office scene i feel i should point out that (from my point of view) ALOT of these little arguments would be resolved if there was a centralised module service.
Something that alot of other projects have (jooml, drupal ,modx etc etc).
This opens the entire software up to be properly supported by the community AND allows the genuine contributions that are popular to be integrated (by the dev team so they still have work !) .

Without this type of model/service/approach its difficult for a community to add anything to project such as this in any meaningful way. Alot of people dont have time to sit down and write a large forum post. (me being one of them! this is my lunch break gone btw :( )

For example i have written a few modules recently for feng office one of which was a (fairly complex) charting plugin which im sure would be a great addition but there isnt an obvious place to put it and i dont have time to write a forum post to the standard i would want (i dont want to just drop it in on a lunchtime after spending the time to write it)

Also there are a few core bus/missing calls that i noticed as i was building this and patched but again i would need to spend more time on the forum to write out everything i have done.

Time i dont really have!

and now my lunch breaks over ....

We are aware of this, but unfortunately we have not developed such feature yet.
If you have written some modules you would like to share with the Community, you should add it in the Development > Community Contribution (http://forums.fengoffice.com/index.php?board=63.0) section... I am sure you would be able to spare some time to write a proper post and share what you have done with the Community if you really want to share it..


We hope to release at least an alfa of 1.8 this year with some of these changes!
Any news about 1.8 alfa version, where can I look on it? Maybe in some svn or git repo?
http://opengoo.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opengoo/ and http://fengoffice.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fengoffice/ links don't work

Not yet considering we have released a 1.7.3.X version with several bug fixing and little improvements. We are working on future releases, yes, but we consider bug fixing is as important, or even more, as new features additions.. so we try to make a balance between both of them.

Regarding the SpreadSheet Editor, you may find further information about it here (http://www.gelsheet.org/)
: Re: Why Feng Office is going nowhere ?
: conrado February 08, 2011, 12:29:10 PM
You know, I don't like the subject line chosen for this thread, and the fact that it keeps showing up on this board.

Unless someone convinces me otherwise, I'll change it to something more accurate and positive, as has always been -and we strive to make- the spirit of the forum.

What do you people think? Do you care?
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Karl February 11, 2011, 10:18:40 AM
Yes, we care!

But of course the big question is: Quo vadis, Feng Office?
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado February 11, 2011, 10:24:33 AM
Glad you asked Karl.  ;)

Here:
http://www.fengoffice.com/web/blogen/?p=314
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Markus March 04, 2011, 04:56:08 AM
Hi conrado,
hi feng developer team!

As Francesco - a very assiduous forum-poster in your team  :) - mentioned in http://forums.fengoffice.com/index.php?topic=4310.msg21879#msg21879 (http://forums.fengoffice.com/index.php?topic=4310.msg21879#msg21879)

Feng Office developers are quite busy right now improving tons of other things (including big changes in the performance),

I got very curious to get more information about next version of fengOffice:

which version is next?
1.7.3.2 (no, I am kidding  ;))
1.8 ....
or even 2.0  (exciting!! :o)


Will you implement a plugin-system?

Do you upgrade to ExtJS 3.3? (or do you even fancy version 4 -'Ext.regModel' 8))

What about unifying the different views (card view, edit view, etc.) for all objects in terms of layout and control elements - sometimes they are php-generated, sometimes ExtJS (I personally love their performance!)

Providing filter and sort-features on costumer properties?
At the moment only the subtype-feature for task-elements allows this functionality.

reporting based on user defined views instead of single tables?

... and all the other requests and ideas of the community...


Conrado, the whole community is suffering since your blog entry at New Years Eve.
What will come next?
How will the implementation of everyone's personal modifications go along with the next upgrade?

Please, give us a perspective!

Motivate us to keep reading the forum and the blog, to contribute in the open source project, to spread the words of a fantastic collaboration platform.

Please
markus
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Karl March 04, 2011, 07:06:03 AM
Hi conrado,
hi feng developer team!...

What will come next?
How will the implementation of everyone's personal modifications go along with the next upgrade?

Please, give us a perspective!

Motivate us to keep reading the forum and the blog, to contribute in the open source project, to spread the words of a fantastic collaboration platform.

Please
markus

Hi Markus,

thank you for your posting.

I second that!

Karl
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: jonnjonzzn March 04, 2011, 11:36:22 AM
Hi conrado,
hi feng developer team!...

What will come next?
How will the implementation of everyone's personal modifications go along with the next upgrade?

Please, give us a perspective!

Motivate us to keep reading the forum and the blog, to contribute in the open source project, to spread the words of a fantastic collaboration platform.

Please
markus

Hi Markus,

thank you for your posting.

I second that!

Karl


I am extremely interested in contributing to the project but I have no idea how to do so.  I don't want to go off and build additional functionality/fix issues if it is already being worked on in core.

Transparency.  The Open Source Way.  Code on-line.  Involve the community. Post summaries of internal meetings at Feng in regards to project direction.  Allow 3rd party developers at least access to a code repository to host modules (more on this later) and collaborate. I suppose actually the community could do this ourselves but I think  with Feng's direction and integration with core it would be more beneficial.  I guess the way I am wording this is exactly what I would like to see adjusted organizationally.  Instead of Feng AND "the community", let's just get to where it is "The Feng Community"!  I completely understand your need to generate revenue and drive internal priorities.  But please also allow the community to work in parallel or in conjunction with your efforts.  I think your pricing strategy is way off-base but that is another story.  I'd price it significantly lower and foster adoption, rapid market share growth, and growth in scaling of expenses.  There is a lot of competition out there in this market space.  Choose your battles wisely.  Once you've got em, they'll be hooked ;-)

Of particular interest to me:

-Formal API/Plugins structure!!! This would potentially allow to solve all the following items.

-Synchronization of contacts, calendar, and task via some protocol (ActiveSync, SyncML)

-Improve the time/reporting modules on the way to a more full-fledged billing/invoice module

-Performance, but it sounds as if the core development team is on this one already.  Great!

-Lots of minor tweaks to add little functionality here and there ( multiple e-mail/sms entries to use for reminders --in continuation of my "need this on my phone theme ;-)" ) The ability add another e-mail address such as the e-mail to text gateways provided by the wireless vendors would be fantastic and an easy way (I hope).  Example: <phone number>@vtext.com for Verizon Wireless would work and send me a text reminder.

I love the work you all have done with Feng Office and can not express how thankful I am for all the hard work, blood, sweat, and tears that have gone into the project to date.  Please.  Let us help you make it even better going forward.

-Mike
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: jonnjonzzn March 04, 2011, 12:18:05 PM
And I forgot the most important  piece of my previous post...

How can I help?   ;)

Please feel free to PM me and let's get started.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Murz March 04, 2011, 01:10:06 PM
I have the same aspirations, we use FengOffice on my company and very often we find some small bugs and can't wait when they was fixed in core, do the local patches by our hands.

And we already write very much small hacks, extensions, plugins for our needs. And I want to share those works for other users, and help to improve the core, but forum is not convenient place for this, I post some of them but much of people didn't see them.

Will be good to do the convenient place for posting patches, hacks, etc, but it is not easy to do.

At first will be good to see the svn (or git) repository in which we can see the activity of work (for example, like this: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdepim.git&a=summary
and ability for users to create forks and his own repositories and blogs with feedback.

And will be good to do the web interface for translations, for example how this done in Drupal: http://drupaler.ru/translate/languages/ru/view - any user can recommend his translated version and any of the moderators can approve it or reject, and each user at any time can download the fresh version of translation.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: jonnjonzzn March 04, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
Regarding addons/modules, etc.  here is a good idea and thread:

http://forums.fengoffice.com/index.php?topic=4899.0

Cool.  Promising.

-Mike
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado March 11, 2011, 07:39:30 PM
Wow! Very glad to receive so much interest and feedback!

It is late friday night here and I want to go home (and I am riding the bike today), so I won't extend today, but will do so next week.

To get started:

More on this next week. Here, and on the blog.

Have a nice weekend! Cheers!
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Karl March 11, 2011, 08:30:28 PM
Hi Conrado,

Great news!

 :) :) :)

Have a nice weekend too!

- Karl

: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Markus March 14, 2011, 06:37:21 AM
Hi conrado,

glad to read that.
Hope, you had a relaxing weekend. Sounds like a busy week ;D

cheers
markus
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado March 14, 2011, 11:26:24 AM
Thanks! Had a fun weekend. Not relaxing (should do one of those sometime!).  :P

As promised, the post about 1.7.4 is here (http://www.fengoffice.com/web/blogen/?p=322).

Tell your friends! This is one release we're particularly proud of. App is looking good.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: aiman May 06, 2011, 03:09:06 AM
Thank you.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office - IRC, etc
: freakalad June 02, 2011, 02:24:34 AM
Hi guys,

I've just discovers Feng Office (well-impressed!) & hoping I can use it like a local version of what I often use Google's services for, like Docs.
A local Feng VM can fulfil much of what such services offer & go some way towards addressing the public's concerns.

I'm just a bit concerned with regards to to continued development of this fantastic product, since there seems to be a strong commercial slant, which seems to be ticking off a lot of otherwise loyal FLOSS members, users & contributors.

This is evidenced by the absolute desert that is the IRC channel :(

Can anyone please tell me where this product/project is headed, and if it's even worth my while investing time, effort & resources in continuing down this path.

It would be a crying shame if this was the case; but if this is the reality, I need to cut my losses & move on.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: moorezilla June 02, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
Well... considering that there's a release candidate available for download and testing, that fact alone suggests the product is still under active development. As to the commercial slant, ultimately this product is developed to make money for the developers and the company behind the product. Even though it's open source code, the developers are running a business, so they probably are much more apt to answer questions and concerns of paying customers. That's the trade off. If you want your questions answered in a timely manner and you want your concerns definitely addressed by the developers, you need to consider paying for the product... or I should say... paying for support for the product if you're hosting locally. Feng Office also has (or had in the past) the opportunity for people to sponsor development of particular functionality, in the event that they wanted to help mold the future direction of parts of the project. Hope this helps.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: freakalad June 02, 2011, 07:52:41 PM
Thanks for the response, moorezilla.
It does go some way towards addressing my questions.

As long as this product is FOSS, & will continue to support & recommend it, since it fills a big niche.

I just hope the community-side (form, IRC, etc) picks up a bit & remains healthy, as is absolutely essential for a strong FOSS project.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado June 03, 2011, 10:00:10 PM
Yep. moorezilla addressed the question in a beautiful manner, I would say.  ;)

This is a pretty recent picture of the team that is working at Feng Office. We have so much work that it's been something like two months since we took the picture, and we still haven't updated the About (http://www.fengoffice.com/web/about-us.php) page!

(http://forums.fengoffice.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3774.0;attach=1801)

The IRC channel was a suggestion of a community member. It is not an official communication channel.

Francisco, from the Feng Office team, does keep a close eye on the forum. He devotes as much time as possible, prioritizing, as moorezilla very rightly pointed out, subscribed customers issues and concerns.

We are always trying to find ways (and time!!) to continuously improve our community communications. That is very important to us.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado June 03, 2011, 10:05:37 PM
Oh, BTW, we even have welcomed two new teammates since we took this shot!
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: bigbearomaha June 26, 2011, 09:56:21 PM
OK, having recently looked over the main website for FengOffice.

1) I see no free community download offered.

2) I see offers to download versions for local install for a per seat cost

3) I see requests for people to join the development team.

Are those who join the development team all paid then?  if you are going to charge for a product,  I assume "everyone" who is a contributor is being compensated in some manner.  If not, I find that pretty shady for an FOSS project (otherwise, please call yourself only "OpenSource" as there is no "free" involved and constitutes false advertisement.)

if there is still a free community version, you are hiding the download info very well and if I have missed seeing it, I would like some help in accessing it.

If there is no longer a free community version, I will then announce my departure from this forum and this project.
You are obviously free to sell opensource software if that is your desire, but I cannot say that it is worth paying for if the problems from the last released version of OpenGoo still exist in any form.

btw, you advertise FengOffice as a competitor to google and other similar online apps, yet you were quite anti-spreadsheet earlier in this thread.  Like it or not, people expect spreadsheet functionality in an office app.

hoping to hear good news on this
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Karl June 27, 2011, 04:37:59 AM
OK, having recently looked over the main website for FengOffice.

1) I see no free community download offered...

if there is still a free community version, you are hiding the download info very well and if I have missed seeing it, I would like some help in accessing it.

It is not hidden.

Click on "COMMUNITY", there is a submenu, click on "Downloads" -- there ist is.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado June 29, 2011, 07:29:33 PM
Thanks for assisting Karl!

Hi Bigbearomaha, I hope Karl's answer addressed most of your concerns?

We try hard to make it clear Feng Office is a Collaborative Project Management Software Platform. Previously positioned a "Web Office". Granted, it is not an easy positioning, but it is not the simplest of the software platforms either. "Web Office" didn't do enough justice.

And we are very pro-spreadsheets! We used them everyday! We would love to be able to help improve our own online-spreadsheet editor. As we do with so many parts of the system. In fact, other parts of the system (like people and tasks management) our currently our main focus. It's just that. We can't do everything right away. We are a team with a finite set of members.

No, we don't pay every contributor, but we do have to pay the salaries of our staff.

Cheers!
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: bigbearomaha June 30, 2011, 12:04:37 AM
no, he did point out where in the list the download link is, I appreciate that for sure.  but for "answering most of my questions"   I hardly see how that could have happened from his very brief post.

I have to admit,  I thought openGoo was a project worth watching.  As I watch more and more though, it seems that the project is creeping toward proprietary waters.  I'm sure I've been obvious already that  I have become more skeptical since then.

It's a fine line opensource companies walk when taking open source code and trying to make something that people will pay for out of it. 

I;m not against paying for opensource software.  I am one of those people who does pay for select apps that outshine others because of the effort put into them.  However, I'm sure you will agree, those opensource apps are far and few.  based on the opengoo I am running, I wouldn't pay for it.   I will download the newest community version of fengoffice and see how and if it has improved to that point.

I do have a problem with some companies attaching exorbitant costs to their software and trying to become overnight millionaires with it.  Not saying that is what is happening here.  But it is something that crosses my mind every time I see opensource apps being sold.  Call me leery if you will.

One thing I think the business world, especially small business world, which I do quite a bit of local consulting for, needs is a server app like this  that is at least equivalent, if not superior, to a googledocs or such that is affordable, if not free.   I am not a huge proponent of cloud computing and I often advise customers against relying on third party cloud services.  Especially if there is a self operated option available.

It is for this reason  I am interested in opengoo now fengoffice and it's development into something viable.

If and when I see an app become usable while still being affordable for the small business,  I will endorse it to my customers whole-heartedly for the "full version" as it is usually worth paying for.  So maybe you understand why  I
approach this transition to fengoffice so cautiously.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: conrado July 04, 2011, 01:23:51 PM
Hi Bigbearomaha,

No, I do not agree. Or at least I do not understand.

- What is the problem not beeing addressed?
- What are your questions no beeing answered?
- What do you mean when you say 'those opensource apps are far and few'? We are very proud of the quality of Feng Office. Which is right here - not far. Thousands of users have taken the time to thank the team and praise Feng Office products and services.

Feng Office is helping thousands of companies and non-profits around the world manage their projects and teams more efficiently.

Some use our Open Source code. Some use our Cloud-based service (Feng Sky), and some use our support services for on-premise production deployment (Feng Onsite).

We took the time to build different offerings that would fit as many scenarios as possible.

We invest most of our time and money on making Feng Office the best possible solution for online Project Managment and Collaboration, and improve the system frequently - Are you not aware of the latest releases?

So what exactly is the problem?

Cheers!
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: Karl July 13, 2011, 05:26:51 PM
This is a quite old thread. But I'm still asking me: Quo vadis Feng Office?
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: franponce87 August 05, 2011, 11:46:25 PM
I do not want to be a spoiler, so I will let Conrado answer you once he is able to.. but trust me Feng Office is doing great and improving a lot lately :)

Best regards,
Francisco
: Quo Vadis FengOffice Spreadsheet
: WhoAmi August 16, 2011, 09:50:31 AM
Hi,

I am developing an application for a customer using Joomla and ScriptCase. One of the requirements of the application is the integration of spreadsheets. So, I did a Google search and came across FengOffice and downloaded and installed Version 1.72 which had an Alpha spreadsheet module. Then I saw that there is a new Version (1.75) available and installed it in the hope that maybe it might be in a Beta or Working state. To my great disappointment, the new version has no spreadsheet module.

FengOffice would be an ideal tool as I could also use many of the other modules which are part of FengOffice and wouldn't have to develop them in ScriptCase. But, the spreadsheet is an essential part of the application and I was wondering whether FengOffice has dumped the spreadsheet module or whether it will be available in a future release?

Please forgive me if this question has already been answered, but I wasn't able to find any info on this topic.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: franponce87 August 17, 2011, 10:13:28 AM
As it has been said before, the spreadsheet has not been dumped. It will be released in a future version, but not yet.

Best regards,
Francisco

: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: WhoAmi August 17, 2011, 07:50:34 PM
Hi Francisco,

Thank you for taking the time and answering my question. Looking forward to the future releases of FengOffice.

Have a nice day.
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: franponce87 August 31, 2011, 03:18:44 PM
In order to keep you all a bit updated, Conrado has been really busy lately, but on his behalf, just hang in there a bit more.. :)

Best regards,
Francisco
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: franponce87 September 21, 2011, 10:19:08 AM
The moment you have all been waiting for has finally arrived!

Feng Office 2.0 BETA has been released!

We indeed are very happy and proud of this release, even though it is only a BETA version right now.
I do not want to copy and paste information, so I will lead you all directly to the source:

Click here (http://www.fengoffice.com/web/blogen/?p=643)!
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: timveer November 23, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
I think the idea and "wording" of "sponsoring" may be misleading.

From my perspective, it isn't so much that you are "buying" the feature as much as paying to hire someone to code it. In the sense of Open source, if you want (and are able) to develop/code a feature and add it back to the community, how is the cost for your time different from the cost of the time for the FO team to hire someone outside to do it? The FO development team seems relatively small to me, so for some options hiring outside coders might be the only option.

I think the FO team is pretty busy with v 2, but as the entire project is FOSS, you can code what you need, post it for the communities benefit, and feel good about your contribution.

On the other hand, if you don't have the coding ability, but have the $$ and absolutely NEED a feature now, how is "sponsoring" different from you hiring (and paying) a local php wizard to develop your solution and then giving it back to the community in true Open Source fashion?

thomasthegreek - Where can we all find and download the FOSS software that you have developed and provide for free?

Tim
: Re: On the future of Feng Office
: franponce87 November 28, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
Thank you very much for your post Tim :)

However, thomasgreek is a bot account which I am deleting from the forums right now.
Open Source projects can not hope to be developed with a "sponsoring" system. If I pay for a feature, I want to be free to sell it to have my money back. So I will not "offer" it to the community. It is a loss for the community.

Best regards,
Francisco